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No more Flash!
Get rid of the Flash interface. It's slow.
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Sabin is a flash developer for a company called Brainforest which is why he vigorously defends the (over)use of Flash on the Nike+ website.
http://www.brainforest.com/
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Trying to access the Nike website from a netbook, which I use now for the majority of the time is tediously slow. Even a 'lite' version to the site would be a welcome option.
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I agree... we're going toward a Flash-less world wide web, with all the new light technologies like CSS3, JavaScript, XHTML, HTML 5, HTML Canvas, AJAX and so on...
It's so sad that Nike+ has to rely on Flash, a heavy, overbloated engine for a site that would be light, require less bandwidth and less computer resources..
Please, no more Flash, and let's get into internet future with HTML, CSS and Javascript!
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I agree. I would gladly give up the graph animations (which aren't in themselves useful) for some really nice static, css/javascript graph action. There are so many different things that could be done with Nike+ if it was standards-compliant xhtml/css and not clunky Flash. Even on my capable machines, the site grinds to a halt much more than is acceptable.
I’m in 2009, post-flash.
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Really frustrating. Just getting to the site from iTunes is very problematic, and has never actually worked. I have to click around before a page will even load. I have a pretty new Mac and the latest browser, and this site is the slowest I've seen! I'm not kidding. Flash is not appropriate, please move to a site that supports web standards, so it can work with my computer, actually remember my password, behave more quickly and reliably, and frustrate me a little bit less!
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Inappropriate?Really frustrating. Just getting to the site from iTunes is very problematic, and has never actually worked. I have to click around before a page will even load. I have a pretty new Mac and the latest browser, and this site is the slowest I've seen! I'm not kidding. Flash is not appropriate, please move to a site that supports web standards, so it can work with my computer, actually remember my password, behave more quickly and reliably, and frustrate me a little bit less!
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Inappropriate?I agree. I would gladly give up the graph animations (which aren't in themselves useful) for some really nice static, css/javascript graph action. There are so many different things that could be done with Nike+ if it was standards-compliant xhtml/css and not clunky Flash. Even on my capable machines, the site grinds to a halt much more than is acceptable.
I’m in 2009, post-flash.
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Inappropriate?I totally agree, but I think this is choice of nike marketing department. They wanted a lot of photos, animation, dynamic. So we've got slow flash site.
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Inappropriate?Flash is SOO web 1.0. Its slow and it is not interoperable.
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Inappropriate?Im with you all. Lose the Flash. Heck, the iPhone can't even use the Flash! (so much for seamless integration with Apple products)
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Inappropriate?Not only is flash slow to render, but it slows me down as I operate the site. I can't use keyboard shortcuts and I can't open new tabs with various bits of info. Terrible for power users. It makes me hate the site.
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Inappropriate?I agree... we're going toward a Flash-less world wide web, with all the new light technologies like CSS3, JavaScript, XHTML, HTML 5, HTML Canvas, AJAX and so on...
It's so sad that Nike+ has to rely on Flash, a heavy, overbloated engine for a site that would be light, require less bandwidth and less computer resources..
Please, no more Flash, and let's get into internet future with HTML, CSS and Javascript!
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Inappropriate?Trying to access the Nike website from a netbook, which I use now for the majority of the time is tediously slow. Even a 'lite' version to the site would be a welcome option.
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Inappropriate?Completely agree. Nike's developers should ditch flash altogether - use JQuery for the fun bits, but make the rest plain old html - nice and nippy.
Also .. while you are at it - you need to work on your web strategy - nike.com, nikestore.com, nikeplus.com, nikerunning.com !!! what's all that about ... loads of doors into loads of flaky sites. As a new nike + user I'm going to ditch Nike + sites and opt for using runometer.com instead.
Sort it out Nike.
I’m blowing a rspberry at Nike
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Inappropriate?I AGREE 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Inappropriate?Agreed! This is wrong technology. Flash is to get attention for first time users - not for day to day usage. Please cooperate with Apple to get proper design for your site!
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Inappropriate?Yeah - I'm in a remote area of Australia and our internet out here still runs on two tin cans and a piece of string. Using this site takes forever. A 'lite' version would really help.
I’m eating a toasted ham, cheese and tomato sandwich
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Inappropriate?Not to mention I use my iPhone with Nike+ and can't even see the flash.
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Inappropriate?I guess the question is: why did Nike set up this forum when it appears that they're completely ignoring all suggestions??
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Inappropriate?I think Raymond Brigleb has the best question. Why have this site and ignore the suggestions? There's a lot of good ideas on here and the Nike+ site could be SO much better...
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Inappropriate?Seems like Nike has their plan and they don't care a fig what we consumers think. I'm also on Garmin's running site, uploading data from my ForeRunner 305 and it is simply amazing. It has GPS and HRM support, which people have been asking for here since day 1. The site is lightning fast, there's no Flash on the site like people have been asking for here since day 1. You can MANAGE YOUR DATA AS YOU PLEASE like people have been asking for here since day 1. And, guess what, they answer and often respond favourably to online feedback, like people have been asking for here since day 1.
Admittedly the site Garmin site falls behind in "attitude". It's obviously run by people who know hardware and not runners. But it has been getting better lately. I'm using both now, though I spend time on the Garmin site while rarely logging in here any more. Too bad Nike, but your corporate arrogance once again shows you up for what you are.
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Inappropriate?Luber, I've really seriously considered trying the whole Garmin thing. Is the data as good as I've heard? This Nike+ site is just killing my mojo!
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Inappropriate?I paid $40 CAN for two Nike pods. The 305 cost $180, but it's a far more functional solution. I still run with my Nike pods but when they die I won't replace them. Log on to Garmin Connect and you can see their stuff and check out the site to see if it's what you want. Later!
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Inappropriate?I like the cool Flash/Flex graphs to display run data, but really dislike EVERYTHING being in Flash. It's twitchy and annoying, and completely inaccessible on my iPhone. As previous posters have mentioned, there are probably better solutions with JQuery or AJAX.
Right now the home page ALWAYS has a "spinner" on the lower part of the page. Don't know what's supposed to be there, it never loads and I just go elsewhere. And the "Forums" menu item has never worked. Do they still exist?
I’m not impressed.
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Actually I found out that they have a version of the site that can be accessed on iPhone/iPod, pretty nice for high-level (you can't drill down into your individual standings within challenges).
See: http://www.tuaw.com/2009/07/01/user-f...
Still have a problem with the site itself where that Flash "spinner" appears instead of the content module, and I have the latest plug-in version. But most of the time it's a part of the page I don't care about anyway, so no big deal I guess. It's free and you get what you pay for. :-) -
And Lana, that sounds great. You had me excited for a few minutes there until I got "that's an invalid username" 6 times on the trot and gave up. They can't even get this right!
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Yeah I had to try inputting my password a couple times before it worked, it would be nice if it could just remember... my info that doesn't need to be that secure, and I share all my run data anyway (it's not that impressive). :-)
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Inappropriate?I understand that the site is nice using Flash, but it's slow and can't be seen from my ipod touch!
And it never worked fine! The graphs can be done with so many javascript libraries. I don't see the point to use Flash everywhere!
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Inappropriate?Glad someone started this one. The flash was annoying on the old site and I can't believe they stuck with it. They also removed Teams which was one of two things keeping me here. The other is having the commentary while running but it feels like I pay less and less attention to that these days. Sensor now needs replacing, remote watch has stopped working and I'm starting to think it might be Garmin time.
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Inappropriate?Ive never had a problem with this site or any flash based site. Perhaps you all need new computers or at the very least need to update your software considering Flash is a free plug-in and all.... Just sayin'.
AJAX, Java 3 etc etc are limited and require a lot more in terms of functionality as a whole. Flash is very flexible and the speeds in which it depends are based on A: Your computers ability to process, (processor, graphics card etc etc) as well as the speed of your internet connection. The guy in Australia with a tin can connection will certainly suffer and I agree, a static version would be helpful but again, this is a free resource which already works pretty darn well people.
Oh an in contrast, you wonder why Nike isn't jumping up and changing it for you ASAP, its because Nike has millions of users but only 100+ people complaining about what I'm sure they perceive as dated software and dial up speeds for a select few..... You do the math.
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Apparently we both are da's because you can clearly see from my name that I am a woman...and I never said my "set up" didn't work. It's just slow (as all flash sites are) and ANY flash "sign in" will not let you save the password. It's a poor choice on Nike's behalf that has nothing to do with a person's "set up" or age of their computer. My computer is newer, I have broadband and it's still slow. Beyond that, I think they could do better. I drive an old truck, btw, if you're that nosey.
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Sabine, I've got a quad core @ 2.6Ghz and broadband. It's nothing to so with the speed of my PC. It's badly designed bloatware.
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Flash stinks.. It's proprietary Adobe bloatware that is dying technology as the web is moving towards open standards such as HTML 5.0 and h.264 to replace the antiquated annoyances of Flash.
There is very good reason why Apple does not support Flash on any of it's mobile devices and this site is a perfect example. It's a processor hog, it's inefficient, it's a security nightmare, and it's a massive battery drain..
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Inappropriate?I think NIke doesn't have many users on this thing honestly. It is sluggish. It works, but slow as hell and can't even do simple things like save my password. I could do w/o the graphics. I have broadband and a 3000 computer, so it isn't just a few complaining..........You do the math dumbass, no dial up here
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I did the math, my set-up works. How's yours Mr. 3000 Broadband? Apparently there's a few "dumbass" issues as well as users around here. I bet you have a really nice car you don't know how to drive as well. Lighten up Francois.
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Inappropriate?This is pretty awful - from a product with an auspicious beginning to this crap.
It is the opposite of what Macs so great - simple, efficient, no fuss.
Seems like it was created by a group of people, thereby all the useless 'features'
If Nike were smart,they would have revamped the site right away. Why not a simple version to run alongside.
Almost enough for me to drop Nike altogether. this, after 2200kms and three years. How sad. :-(
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Inappropriate?Is anyone from Nike actually around here? It really doesn't seem like it.
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Inappropriate?I find it amazing that it works fine for me (and I'm sure many thousands of others who use this resource), but of course, forums like this rarely have discussions of praise. To the "woman" having trouble with any flash site remembering her password, again, that doesn't happen to me so I have to fault the system/user before I fault the multimillion-dollar flash industry, its technical engineers or, you know, the people who designed and implemented the web site and actually know what they are doing. I hear all of this banter about industry standards for a web browser. Flash is not a new technology folks and is fully supported by almost every browser (with the exception of something like an iPhone's browser) but the end all be all is, you are always welcome to find a better working resource since you really only spent $30 for an adapter in order to use this resource continually without additional fee's, (which is a pretty sweet deal IMO).
However I agree for the less savvy and technically incline perhaps a static HTML web site with statistics might be a better fit, but if you are that serious about acessing your data there's a lot of better products on the market then a simple iPod sensor.
Just sayin'
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You're right, the design of the Nike+ site only allows you to check the box for "Remember my Email" to log in, NOT remember your password so you'll have to enter it every time. This was a design/development decision (they "cookie" your email but not your password) and doesn't have anything to do with Flash.
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Sabin West, if you're the lucky person who has a set-up that makes this website work lightning fast, how about you share those specifics? Because for most of us, it is the SLOWEST website we've ever tried to use... and most of us aren't "less savvy and technically incline."
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Sabin, I've never seen someone so rigorously defend Flash and Nike Plus... makes one wonder which company you work for. I know it's easy to blame the user, I work in IT and deal with users everyday, so I understand where you are coming from. The site often works for me, but often times I get a spinning wheel. I have 5 other friends and family members on Nike Plus using different computers and high speed internet connections. When the site is down or slow it is so for all of us. So, it is not the user. The new site is much more buggy than the old site. And, flash on the old site and the new site creates too much overhead and is slow. Sure it may be a standard for making a few animations on a website, but very few sites build a whole site out of flash anymore because of performance. All, we are saying is that there are faster options out there.
In terms of the cost, I assume the cost for running the site is built into the initial purchase price of the adapter and for additional sensors at $20 per pop as batteries die(Shouldn't cost more than $5 to Manufacture), is used to defray the cost of the "free" site. Garmin doesn't charge for their site either as a monthly charge, its built into the cost of buying the device. The nike site isn't "free" it just has a hidden cost. Nike wouldn't be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, they have shareholders to appease. Plus, they use it as "Free" marketing to sell their products (Shoes, Shirts, Shorts, etc) to the millions of Nike Plus users. The least they could do is listen to their installed base. -
Flash is no longer relevant. It is an antiquated technology that only the less savvy or those who aren't technically inclined continue to use for development.
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I work in a tehnical role for a multi billion dollar IT company. I think I'm tech savvy enough to know when something isn't working well. And this site doesn't work very well.
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Inappropriate?Sabin is a flash developer for a company called Brainforest which is why he vigorously defends the (over)use of Flash on the Nike+ website.
http://www.brainforest.com/
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He's also a real tosser.
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Inappropriate?So Sabin is just a shill, eh? That would explain his completely silly response!
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Inappropriate?I think Sabin is probably telling the truth. I am sure that the flash animations and the correlating database feeds in the background DO work just fine for him. I understand his vehement defense of a technology that he personally is comfortable with and provides him with a living.
What I dont think he understands (or doesn't remember from business school) is that companies that give away "free" access to websites need to have the visitors presented with the opportunity to buy their corresponding products.
When a majority of the users on a website experience problems, and therefore are distracted by the experience, they tend to not want to financially support the company they percieve as causing the problems and eventually will vote with their dollars.
If in the future Nike studies the problem and feels that it is missing out on signifigant enough revenue due to a poor customer experience on their site, I am sure they will re-evaluate the design and GUI of the website.
I cant imagine that would happen anytime in the near future though as they obviously have quite a bit of money tied up in the design/development of this site and would crazy to scrap it. We can only hope for improvements foir the time being.
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Inappropriate?All 102 of you, (lol, a vast majority as I again chuckl) are again welcome to shop elsewhere. I am defending the fact that the site seems to work as designed for the rest of the world (including myself), yet you (extremely) small percentage of users seem to think you are the voice of the majority because Nike gave you a place to rant.
This has nothing to do with the minimal flash work I do on the side for a company I work for maybe 5 times a year, (I own a bicycle parts company). My comments stem from the fact many of you have varying issues all speed related, (as far as I can tell). A small select few who can't seem to accomplish what the rest of the user base has no issues with, yet you expect Nike to jump up and change the entire set-up based on that.
Ridiculous. I don't care if you work for NASA, if you cant navigate a simple flash database sorry, you, (or your computer, plug-in's, ISP, etc etc) might have additional issues you should look into.
That will be my last response on this sorry, miniscule thread.
I’m bored with people who suck at the internets.
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Sabin West, I notice you still refuse to post details about your system settings, etc. You make a terrible shill.
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Inappropriate?Ah an ulitmatum. We are "welcome to shop elsewhere"
The last desperate act of a person that has no logic left to stand on in an intelligent discussion.
"That will be my last response on this sorry, miniscule thread"
Translated " I am taking my ball and going home"
LOL
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It means I am one of the majority who's set-up works fine and arguing with you when you are again welcome to actually pay for a service can and probably should shop elsewhere.... is a waste of everyone's time.
...and if it helps, I run a 3 year old MacBook Pro with a previous generation iPod nano and have yet to encounter extraordinary load times, nor have I ever had a sync issue, but as others have pointed out, it must be because I draw pretty pictures in Flash that my set up is perfect.
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It means I am one of the majority who's set-up works fine and arguing with you when you are again welcome to actually pay for a service and probably should shop elsewhere.... is a waste of everyone's time.
...and if it helps, I run a 3 year old MacBook Pro with a previous generation iPod nano and have yet to encounter extraordinary load times, nor have I ever had a sync issue, but as others have pointed out, it must be because I draw pretty pictures in Flash that my set up is perfect.
Back here on planet Earth I can only assume it is what I stated originally (user error, plug-in, ISP etc).... what more do you want me to say?
Oh also, I run OS X Snow Leopard and for the guy who works in the multi billion dollar IT industry.... I'd expect more from someone as fancy as yourself so get to troubleshooting instead of arguing with the antique part time flash designer wo works in CS3 and doesn't even do AS3..... I mean, since youre such a genius and all.
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How do you set-up your Flash properly? Why does Flash need "set-up" to work properly with the Nike website?
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Inappropriate?I'm not a fan of Flash. I don't see the added benefit, other than a little eye candy.
The site clearly needs work. Load times are poor. Synching is unreliable. But everytime I consider dropping the product altogether, I remind myself to look at the top right corner of nikerunning.com where it clearly says "BETA".
That being said, I am unsubscribing from this thread as it has degraded into personal attacks and petty nonsense.
Good luck, all.
I’m done.
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The old site that was non beta was not much better...
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Inappropriate?I've been trying not to get drawn into this, but here goes...
The new Nike+ site is currently slow, and has been since it launched For example, the Friends and Foes tab on the home page often fails to load altogeher. I've tried it on multiple browsers and operating systems and got the same result. Anyone who regularly uses the site would recognise this, I'm sure.
The new site does not log the user in automatically when you sync - which isn't a problem, but does feel like a retrograde step, since the old site used to do this.
BUT... none of these problems are to do with the site using Flash. They're almost certainly backend problems with database and application server load. Whether or not Flash is the right technology for this site is an entirely separate discussion. Flash is still probably the best solution for drawing the kind of graphs featured on the Nike+ site. ...although JavaScript and HTML5 elements like canvas may well replace it at some point in the future, especially if companies like Apple and Google have their way. -
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You're missing the point. This is the fifth most popular topic under "Ideas" on this website. That means it's high on a lot of people's suggestion lists for the site... even if it's not high on your list. Nobody is asking you to agree with them. They're just sharing THEIR opinions.
Also, you COMPLETELY miss the point that Nike set this site up explicitly for us to share our ideas and problems with them. We're not being ungrateful for a "free" service ("free" as in supported by the Nike+ sensor, wristband, Nike shoes you need to buy to use it and advertising to buy more Nike products), we're giving them the feedback they've asked for again and again in the forums.
If you're running a Macbook Pro, then you must like Apple products. But just this week, Steve Jobs said that the reason the iPad and iPhone DON'T use Flash is because it is responsible for 1/2 the crashes on Macs. (Reference: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/tag/st...) Is HIS hardware a problem too?
For myself in the past week or two, the site has been amazingly fast - literally a tenfold increase over before that. Before that, I couldn't even use Firefox (always using the most recent versions of Firefox and Flash) because I would receive script timeout errors just about every time I visited the site. I even hunted down the Firefox errors, changed settings in Firefox to lengthen timeout times, etc... Nada. Because of that, I was forced to use IE on my Windows computers and Safari on my Macs. Nike's Flash on the site was so bad on Firebox that a few months ago I couldn't even do a checkout for some clothes I wanted to buy. It's bad when you have to jump through hoops just to hand a company some money!
So, seriously... instead of criticizing people, why not share with Nike (and us) what YOU would like to see them add to their site or to the iPod/iPhone app. You just might find that you have a "minority" of 100 people all shouting "Me too" and "liking" your idea up to the top of the list.
Mark
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Inappropriate?Not to mention by far the bigger PITA presented by flash - no easy sharing of workable links.
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Inappropriate?Making the site in Flash means my iPhone isn't good for any Nike+ functions except catching run data. Can't view the site on my phone! :(3 Comments Add a comment
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Good news, they recently added an app for that. So you can view your data and challenges from your iphone. I've got it on mine now!
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Actually I lied, it isn't an app really. Its their new mobile website, just open up safari on your ipnone and go to nikerunning.com then you can create an icon to it on your desktop so it looks like an app. I had forgotten I had done that. But, on their new mobile website you can see your data, see your challenges etc. All and all its pretty good! The only other thing I wish I could do is upload my run data directly from my iphone without having to sync with my computer. But, I regress... their mobile website does now work on the iphone!
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Actually I lied, it isn't an app really. Its their new mobile website, just open up safari on your ipnone and go to nikerunning.com then you can create an icon to it on your desktop so it looks like an app. I had forgotten I had done that. But, on their new mobile website you can see your data, see your challenges etc. All and all its pretty good! The only other thing I wish I could do is upload my run data directly from my iphone without having to sync with my computer. But, I regress... their mobile website does now work on the iphone!
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Inappropriate?Yeah that was mentioned earlier. I tried it and can't login - known bug. They're supposed to be working on it. Certainly sounds promising.
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Hmmm, weird works fine on my phone. That's a bummer!
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Inappropriate?Yay! Got the mobile site working, I had to delete all my cookies, cache and history.
It's not bad at all is it.
I’m relieved
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You're abusing the system! If the original idea was overlooked, it's probably because there isn't as great a demand for it as you imagined. iPhone armbands already exist from other manufacturers! If you want Nike to come out with one, you're better off suggesting ways Nike can improve on other armbands in the market.
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Inappropriate?It's not only slow ... it does not work on linux
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Inappropriate?With some jQuery love and some graph plugins you could have nearly the exact same functionality plus the same amount of sexy animation without all the bloat. Seriously, find yourself a good web dev and get this mess sorted!
I’m sick of flash
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Inappropriate?This tool has helped me get off my butt and get moving, and I love it when it works. But even though my computer is just under a year old, I still have problems loading and viewing all the flash apps. Are the flash apps pretty? Yeah.Functional? Not so much. If Nike really wants to keep the flash integration, maybe they could add a no-flash setup to those who don't want all the data-heavy bells and whistles.
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Inappropriate?I guess I'll just use the much better mobile version of the site until nike makes the regular version usable.
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Inappropriate?Move to HTML5 nike and start responding to your customer's concerns for a change.
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Inappropriate?I like the flash-less version of the site that runs on iPhones/iPads. It's a good start by the Nike guys! I'd like to see this non-flash site developed further until it can replace the flash version. It seems like Nike is pretty invested in Flash, but a boy can dream...
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Inappropriate?Flash crashes my browser on my laptop and makes the site nonfunctional on my iPad. No flash, please.
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Inappropriate?Can't use forward/back browser buttons, can't copy text, the interface is sluggish, navigation is clumsy, can't use autofill for my password on the login, etc, etc. Flash for web interfaces should never, EVER happen. Use it on the graphs yes because that's where it works really well. By using it for everything you're breaking the purpose of well-defined web standards, particularly for users with accessibility issues.
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Inappropriate?Flash driven interfaces are of those things seen in WWW improving the user experience for the worse. Hopefully HTML5 will come up soon and "flash it away". For further info see also http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts.... But do not ask the "flashers".
I’m sick of flash
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Inappropriate?keep flash for only whats absolutely necessary - like graphs and things. but do we really need it for login??? my password manager cant autologin and its all just too slow and sluggish.
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Inappropriate?Do you know how annoying it is to not be able to use the site if you don't have flash?
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